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    Default German Panerai, may be if interest

    If I had served God half as well as I have served the King, he would not have given me over to die in such a place as this

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    I'm VERY suspicious of that watch. I'd also very much like to see the inside of the case back and the movement. There are a lot of very good fakes out there these days.

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    Fellows do a fairly good job of inspecting watches for originality although no one is infallible. I'd rather trust them than ebay

    Quote Originally Posted by unreformed66 View Post
    I'm VERY suspicious of that watch. I'd also very much like to see the inside of the case back and the movement. There are a lot of very good fakes out there these days.
    If I had served God half as well as I have served the King, he would not have given me over to die in such a place as this

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    Things that turn me off.

    Dial is very dark

    Someone buggered up the minute hand

    Not running which could mean anything from a cleaning to broken/damaged balance

    I would think for the price. There should be a movement shot

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    Till last week I thought an expensive watch from a famous auction house should be 1000% authentic for sure,,,,

    Then I read this:

    http://watchesbysjx.com/2018/01/what...tona-solo.html

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    PANERAI - a very rare and special Second World War military Diver wrist watch. Stainless steel case with engraved case back. Reference 3646, serial 1010292. Signed manual wind Rolex movement. Black dial with baton hour markers, quarterly Arabic numerals. Fitted to an unsigned brown leather strap with original base metal pin buckle. 47mm. This watch was used by frogmen "Kampfschwimmer" of the German and Italian navy during the Second World War. It was brought back to Britain by an English soldier at the end of the war, after the watch came into his care following the Battle of Nijmegen in 1944. It comes with the original leather strap and pin buckle, a hand written account of the event by the soldier who brought it home, as well as a segment of the rubber suit worn by the German frogman who was issued with this watch. Together with a selection of facsimile documents detailing the military history of the English soldier.


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    Some more info, better pics, etc. about it, here:

    https://perezcope.com/2018/01/06/his...46-at-fellows/

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    Some of the images from that website













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    Quote Originally Posted by ianp View Post
    Some of the images from that website
    Thanks for going to the trouble to post them all, Ian! Seems like its legit, great story behind the watch as well, if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giltunderglass View Post
    Some more info, better pics, etc. about it, here:

    https://perezcope.com/2018/01/06/his...46-at-fellows/
    Great link! I would highly recommend reading all this (and the links from that link too), fascinating, important mil watch history. And makes this Fellows watch something very special indeed.

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    Hard to see if there have been any subsequent scratches through the hand engraving dated 1944:


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    from the link -

    The caseback is signed on the outside. The inscription says: G. H. Rowson, CPL, TH, 1944. This inscription was probably made by the British soldier with a nail or something similar. CPL stands for Corporal, an army rank.
    it actually appears to say -

    G.H.ROWSON CPL

    SEPT 20TH 1944


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    Several German attemps to destroy the bridges failed. In the evening of September 28, three teams of four Kampfschwimmers each entered the river around 10 kilometres upstream from the bridges. The first team reached the Railway Bridge and successfully placed their explosives on one of the pillars. The explosion destroyed the pillar and brought down the middle section of the bridge. The four men swam downstream. Two were catured by the Allies and two managed to escape.

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    Is it not a 9, think i can see a downstroke, so 29th?

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    A quick inversion of colour and an increase in size

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    Hairspring looks buggered. Repairable?

    DON

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    Quote Originally Posted by size11s View Post
    Is it not a 9, think i can see a downstroke, so 29th?
    Could it actually say 28th?

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    it does now appear to me to say the 29th.. which is good..

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    Looking at the script, with a bit of PS enhancement, I'd say it is 28th, note the way the 0/8 pinches in at the middle.

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