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    Default Weather = wet and grey = reloading

    The weather in norf CA is pretty miserable at the moment, so it seems a good time to reload some of the brass shot last weekend. 120 or so cases of 45ACP sat in my ultrasonic cleaner that I'm using for the first time to get rid of most of the carbon and other hazardous stuff before I deprime. I'll probably put them in the tumbler after depriming to further clean them. I've emptied and refilled the water twice on these 100 cases and it gets pretty dirty, but is easier to deal with than the dust from the tumbler which I don't want to use in an enclosed area.



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    I don't reload, although my buddies that do get all my brass. I'm in AZ and buy bulk ammo online by the case with no limits. I'm curious to know how is California's laws affecting your shooting hobby - if at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msa6712 View Post
    I don't reload, although my buddies that do get all my brass. I'm in AZ and buy bulk ammo online by the case with no limits. I'm curious to know how is California's laws affecting your shooting hobby - if at all?
    The easiest answer is that I'm already planning the escape to a free state.

    On the ammo front I am OK as I have plenty stored away and already reload for the calibres that I use the most. Reloading supplies, thankfully, are not impacted by recent laws. The need to go through (as yet unspecified) licensed vendors for internet sales won't affect me just yet, but I do note that some folks are applying for FFL03 so ammo can be shipped direct to them. That might be an interesting route to take. I think there are also restrictions of face to face sales of ammo by individuals, such that you again have to go through the licensed vendors, which could impact me if I decided to flee to a free state should I decide to sell rather than ship. Mid next year we get to the stupidity of background checks for ammo purchases.

    The deadline for AW registration for bullet buttons, etc is still 6 months away but will impact those with bullet buttons on their guns. You have two choice to remain legal - register or go featureless.

    So, in a nutshell if you have planned ahead, bought ammunition or plan to reload then you may not feel the results of the law changes anytime soon. At a simplistic level you could argue that this years changes for ammo purchases are more about getting the tax on the sales. However, they do start to put things in place for the more sinister changes in 2019. The AW registration is just nonsense and serves only to inconvenience and the inability to sell or pass on to family is ridiculous and really serves only 1 purpose.

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    I don't know how you guys do it out there behind enemy lines. I'm so spoiled by ordering whatever I want and having the UPS guy lug it to my front door that I don't know what I'd do if I suddenly had to buy it all face to face at retail markup. I know I'd shoot less, that's for sure. I've been addicted to AKs for years, and you can go through a LOT of ammo on a good range day..lol. You should see my 16 year old 5'0 94 pound daughter rocking the communist goodness on the range! My watch repair shop takes up all of my extra inside space so I don't really have room for a reloading bench too. And quit crying about your weather. It never got above 20 degrees with overnight lows below zero for almost two weeks here in balmy southern Ohio, but today it went all the way up to 60 with sunshine to boot! Of course it's supposed to be back down to the 20s for highs and lows near zero by Saturday, just in time for the weekend. Imagine that..lol. I hope your escape to a free state goes smoothly. I fear that California is completely lost at this point.

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    The thing about California laws is that most are passed based on emotion instead of law or common sense. The Bullet button registration is late because they couldn't set up the mechanics of how and where to register. The same thing will happen with this ammunition rubbish. I know a very good gun guy named Mitch Lukisch. He is a collector of antique firearms and was hired by the State to help write the last AW laws in the 90s. He is the guy who wrote in the Curio and Relic aspects of the existing laws essentially making any guns over 50 years of age exempt from most of this bullshit. I talked to him a year ago at the Vallejo gunshow. He said the best thing to do with all of these stupid laws is to simply ignore them. Maybe he can, but I can't. I send $100 every few months to Calguns and they use the money to sue these socialists and mess with them, that works. Fight fire with fire. Ian, I could see this coming a long time ago and I will never have to buy another round of anything. There are some very good deals on ammunition at the gun shows. I bought 1000 rds of 9mm for under $250 500 is Brazillian, 500 is Italian. The only reason I had to buy that is I just got a S&W 39 last year. I love 45 to reload because you can use cheap lead bullets and Bullseye powder. 1700 shots to a pound.
    Moving to another state may work for a while, voting these shitheads out of office may be too late. They are exporting progressives to other states. Oregon is already lost and Washington is right behind. It is all about removing gender and common sense. There was some guy in Oregon who called 911 because his cat was being too aggressive. He and the family were in a safe room. You can't make this shit up.

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    I have just finished depriming just over 300 rounds of 45 ACP. I am debating as to whether to tumble before reloading with 230 RN and WST. Maybe an hour with some nufinish to get them a bit shinier as we all know that makes them way more accurate

    I love reloading. It appeals to my OCD and I find the dedication of time and concentration quite therapeutic.

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    The 45 can be reloaded for about $5 a box using cast lead bullets and Bullseye. The H&G 185 and 200 gr semi wad cutters are the bullets of choice. 4 gr of Bullseye and go. Each cartridge should be visually inspected before finishing as a double load of Bullseye can be very damaging to any firearm. It is a step I always do anyway. I also love the Lee auto prime tool, fast and easy.

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    I went blue (Dillons) about 10 year ago for my reloading equipment. A sizeable investment, but I can crank out some pretty consistent loads in fair volumes. I take my time and am nowhere near the stated capacity of my XL650 and am really careful about double or squib loads. I measure and remeasure the powder throws during the process and if I ever have doubts about a reload I'll break it apart and start the process over. Call me paranoid ...

    The primers are the thing that do give me a little heartburn sometimes, as unless you are really smooth on the XL650 you can get issue with primers not seating properly, twisted, or just gumming up the works. It can be a PITA if you have to stop and take apart the priming section. It really pays to be slow and concentrate when using the Xl650 in my experience. Kind of a zen be at one with the machine kind of thing, atune to how it is working. Everything should be gentle and unforced and anything that is even a slight struggle should be investigated.

    The Lee auto prime tool seems an interesting (and cheap) alternative. All you need is the tool and the plates I assume, which is less then $40 If I have issues this weekend with primers then this might be a good alternative. It is odd as I have a progressive machine and am considering doing more things in separate stages - separate depriming and now, possibly, separate priming. Ho-hum. At least I'll be able to hand the reloading gear down to my kids.

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    Ohh, shiny



    1 and a half hours in the tumbler.

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    Nice brass. I use a walnut shell product sold at Walmart as some use with birds. It's cheap by comparison to other "made for" material. Toss in a small stick of polishing rouge and they come out pretty good. I tumble in an old lapidary tumbler with two barrels, $10 at a flea mkt. The only automatic reloading machine I have is a MEC grabber which is a rather expensive shotgun tool. It loads a shell with each pull and a 25 rd box is done in around 10 minutes. The primer is exactly why I use the lee auto prime. It gives you a chance to feel the primer seating and closely look at each one as you do it.
    I've been reloading for 40 years and have been using regular CCI primers for the M1 rifle and AR all along. The milspec argument is always a good one but when there is a slam fire, it is usually caused by a high primer. I've seen one and it wasn't me. I am using powder and primers that are over 30 years old, they have a long shelf life. I don't know if you read about the electronic powder dumps, but there was a rash of accidents caused by the fast pistol powders getting stuck inside the machine and after awhile they were throwing way too hot loads that weighed in as normal. I think that was the rap on them. I use RCBS beam scale 10/10 and the larger powder dump. It is very accurate. I also do not load maximum loads. The 45 doesn't need them and neither does any of the others. I can tell you an experience of my late buddy Ray who was in Vietnam just after me. He was following another guy into a hooch and as they entered a VC was just going down into a hole. He shot the guy in front of Ray in the chest with a 45. Both guys were wearing the flack vests like we all wore over there. The 45 still knocked the guy off his feet backward and knocked him cold for around 5 minutes. Ray said they thought he was dead, but no. That shows the knockdown power of the weapon. loaded to 75-85% it would do the same damage.
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    I violate one golden rule, I drink beer while reloading. But as I said, I touch each case, prime it and dump the powder, they go into a 50 slot wooden block and I look inside each case with a bright light before placing the projectiles. I've never had a squib or double, maybe I'm just lucky?
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    I use crushed walnut shells meant for reptiles, 10 or so lbs for $11 at places such as Petco. Seems to work just as well as anything, although I am intrigued by the toasted buckwheat thread on Calguns at the moment. No electronic powder dispensers, just the mechanical setup on the XL650. It is pretty consistent in my experience and once set up right seems never to drift by much, but I do check it before and during every reloading session. Like you, I stay away from maximum loads. I am very conservative in this regard. I look for accuracy and consistency rather than muzzle velocity. I used to run ladders, but find basically now have recipes that I'm comfortable with and have the characteristics that I am looking for. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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    It is pretty hard to beat the Dillon equipment. Once the investment is made the rate of production pays for that investment. That is what drove me to the MEC Grabber machine. I was shooting 4-5 boxes of 12ga trap loads every Sunday. Get in touch if you need anything.
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    Hey Dave -

    What's going on? Who else is here?
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    Hi Richard, long time no see. I miss your suggestions and opinions. My wife and youngest son went back East this summer. They did the DC Smithsonian Institution deal and spent a few days in NYC. They had nothing but good things to say about the City. San Francisco is a dump by comparison. The did say that the weather/humidity was not what we are used to out here.
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    I am thinking about starting to reload here in the UK.
    Good God ammo is pricey here. I think I will start with .44mag as this is the most expensive. I have never done it before so I expect to get a few duds.

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    The only way to have duds is to allow any oil around the primers. Beyond that it's foolproof. 44 Mag is a good candidate to load with .429 lead projectiles as a .44 special load. They are about the most accurate cartridge around. Full power magnum loads in 41 or 44 are just brutal things to shoot and they are very hard on the equipment. They also use a lot of expensive powder like 2400 . In 44 Special specs you can use about half as much Unique and get great results. If you do go full power, load with semi-jacketed bullets as the 1400+FPS will lead the barrel. Expect to pay $20+/100 for the projectiles and $24+ for powder. Primers are cheap. The lead 44 sp load will be about half of that. The 41 mag is a very good caliber as well.

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