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    Hi all
    Does anyone own one here?
    the gun control legislation in the UK is obviously very strict but I have started target shooting (years of rough and clay shooting behind me) and I am looking to buy my first rifle.
    We are limited for choice here but I am off to look at a straight pull in .233 this week and would like to hear of anyone's experience.
    How do they compare with an AR?
    Can you use 5.56 in place of .233? I have seen conflicting reports.

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    I don't own one but I had a friend that did. The one knock on these rifles is their accuracy. They apparently are not as accurate as an AR. The French police use them, you might inquire about info on them. The .223 vs 5.56 question is pretty much not an issue. They make a Wylde chamber that supposedly is compatible with both. I think it is a non issue. Look at Colt 20 rd magazines, some say 5.56 and some say .223, these are military magazines. Were I selecting a target rifle in 223 I'd probably buy a Remington 700 or Savage. If you can, buy an AR15, they are very accurate and very cheap. Set up right, any of them are M.O.A. weapons.

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    I have looked at ARs however over here they are 3 times the price of the mini 14
    In addition being single pull action (as that's all we're allowed) the mini 14 is more ergonomic whilst prone.
    Oh well I can try it, if I don't like it I can move it on.

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    Well took the Ruger to the range at Bisley yesterday.
    I have to say I am impressed
    Up to 300m it's dead on accurate. (Great day for shooting yesterday as there was no wind).
    I put about 150 rounds through it but .223 is not cheap. 73 per 100!!!!
    Went to look at a .44 Winchester under lever this morning, I think that might be the next option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    Well took the Ruger to the range at Bisley yesterday.
    I have to say I am impressed
    Up to 300m it's dead on accurate. (Great day for shooting yesterday as there was no wind).
    I put about 150 rounds through it but .223 is not cheap. 73 per 100!!!!
    Went to look at a .44 Winchester under lever this morning, I think that might be the next option.
    That is too bad about the cost of ammunition over there. We get factory loaded Federals for about $240 US /500. Can you guys reload? that is a great way to save money. I reload 5.56/233 for about .25 a shot.
    I would bet that a 44-40 would run about $2 a shot if you could find it. Let me know if I can help.
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    Yep looking in to reloading, it is cheaper but no by much.
    .44 is 90 per 100 and surprisingly common. Lot is people fire Winchester underlevers in .357/.44 as a replacement for pistols. (We are not allowed to own a firearm unless it has a length of more than 2 feet!!!)
    For comparison:
    .22 is 90 per 1000
    7.62/.308 is 45 per 100

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    The 223 is an impressive round to shoot. Out to 200m there isn't much drop, and you can just aim right at the object and it will hit. When you start to reload, buy full length small base dies for the 223. I use RCBS, they have a lifetime warranty, break anything and they'll send you a new one. The least expensive bullets are the 55gr FMJBT US army surplus projectiles. Most are made by Winchester. Use regular CCI small rifle primers and the best value in powder would be H335. The cartridge is amazingly versatile and you can use almost any rifle powder, Varget, H335, IMR 4895, IMR 3031, W748. It only uses about 24 gr of powder (about half what a 30-06 would use. I would load the loads at the low end as the rifle will not be using the gas for operation. The Mini 14 is a pretty good copy of the M14 which is the rifle I used in Vietnam. It is a great design.

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    Cheers for the advice!
    I think I will try to reload going forward.
    The rifle seems well built to me and it's a doddle to strip and clean.
    I will report back with some grouping pictures after the next shoot.

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    Sinnlover - how did you go about getting a firearms license in London? Which club did you join?

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    It's not too hard you just have to jump through the hoops and it takes while.
    You join a shooting club
    Apply to your local police force, with 2 sponsors who will to vouch for you (they must have known you for at least 2 years. They cannot be family.) the club chairman confirms you shoot at the club and how many times you have attended in the last year.
    The police interview you and your sponsors (over the phone), they do the background checks.
    The police check your security arrangements at home including the safe installation and physical security.
    If all ok they issue your certificate (fire arm and shot gun are two different and distinct licences).
    The police have to have a reason (it does not have to be a good one though) for them not to issue the cert, most people think that they will say no unless you have a good reason for owning a firearm.
    It took about 6 months and you are limited in terms of numbers and calibers of rifle you can own. You must declare what you want on the application and there is no variation from that.
    Strangely you can own and keep and many shotguns as you have security for, there is no limit on numbers if you have a certificate.
    The MET police are the most draconian of police to apply with but I kind of understand why, not much call for pest control in London.
    Re clubs happy PM if you want details I am happy to help, there are a lots out there. A good place to Google is the NRA at Bisley (where I do a lot of shooting). Lots of clubs are based there. You will be supprised at the companies that have shooting clubs, high st banks, shops etc.
    I popped along to the West London shooting ground (Across the A40 from RAF Northolt) on Friday. It's expensive but the facilities are fantastic, it's like a shooting club combined with a old fashioned Gentleman's Club on St. James St / Pall Mall. They are building a new 200m range there as well. I have a feeling I might do a lot more shooting there in future.

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    The shotgun info is interesting. Shooting skeet and trap is a lot of fun. Here in Kalifornia the Politburo constantly pressures skeet and trap clubs about lead being shot into soil. Even though every shovelful of earth in the state has lead in it, they act like when the range is closed mothers bring their babies out to the range and let them play in the mud with the lead. About 15 years ago the anti gun folks decided to move lead up on the scale of danger somewhere up with plutonium so they could stop shooting that way. If there is no ammunition, there is no gun. The environmentalists successfully stopped lead wildfowl hunting on the premise that some ducks were dying from lead poisoning. Silly really, shoot the snot out of everything that flies from Canada to Mexico but God forbid that a teal die from a belly ache. Consequence is that there are so many snow geese that they are shot no bag limits, kill as many as you like, but please no lead. OK to wing a few because iron shot sucks, but no bellyaches please. Anyway, breaking clays is a blast. I shot a lot of trap but skeet is a different animal. Reloading for shotguns is a necessity if you get into trap. You can reload a box of 12 ga for around $3 a box. It is no problem to go through 3-4 boxes every Sunday. Best machine I've found is the MEC Grabber. You can reload 3 boxes in about 15 minutes. English shotguns are some of the best in the world.

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    I started shooting clays when I was 10 years old, 27 years later I am still doing it.
    It's great fun.
    I entered a contest on friday and to my surprise I won it - 48 out of 50 shot, I won a nice bottle of bubbly!!!! First shooting comp I have ever won.
    The price of 12 bore shells here is no where near as bad as FMJ. 7 for 20.
    We have the same issue with lead. It's actually banned but the tree huggers are still not happy, they want to ban the Grouse season as the shot 'kills' the Red Kite. (Any excuse)
    When the scientists pointed out that the the research indicated that less than 2% of Red Kites died as a result of injesting shot the tree huggers were sent away with a flea in their ear by Parliament (getting run over was 5%). It was good to see Parliament stand up to the eco crowd for once.
    That said, they are trying to ban high powered rifles here for no reason other than they are dangerous!!!!
    This means anything with a caliber of .50 will be banned. The opportunity to shoot which weapons is rare in the UK and as such why ban them if they are legal and held in line with the requirements of the certificate.
    There is a petition being drafted currently, we will see what happens.
    As my rugby playing days are numbered shooting is looking like it will become my go to sport. I would much rather shot than go shopping with the Mrs!!!!!

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    I finished 2nd in my club championship once (When the club was still operating) 49 out of 50. The real pleasure was I was shooting a 1932 Winchester model 12 with solid rib and a cut down woman's stock. I beat several Perazzis and a few Berettas with that $200 shotgun. It is funny how you start with say a 22 or 23 and it takes six months to get to 25 and after that you will shoot 24 or 25 almost automatically. I had used Remington Model 11s, Fox side by sides, Winchester 101s, and Browning Superposed and not much worked. I bough this old beater Model 12 out of desperation and it shot perfectly. It didn't break clays it powdered them. My longest distance was 21yds I don't think I would do well at 27. I don't know if you've shot pistol bullseye 25yd rapid 50 yd slow, it is absolutely the most difficult of the shooting disciplines.

    Our lead pirates here used the California Condor as the canary in the coal mine. Their claim was that these almost extinct birds were dying of lead poisoning when they ate carrion that had been shot with lead. They started out by banning the southern half of California from lead ammunition. So a $12 box of 30-30 went to $30 because of the special brass bullets. Ironically there was an existing law on the books REQUIRING that lead ammunition be used. After a couple of years they admitted that the whole deal was bullshit but banned the rest of the state "Just to get lead out of the environment". The whole premise was stupid since thousands of turkey vultures ate the same carrion and were doing great. I'm 73 years old and wish that my sons could have experienced what life was like when this was a free country. When a bunch of latrine scientists wern't calling the shots and the cops weren't at war with the people they serve. When people actually were trusted with their own lives and absolutely silly bullshit like removing gender from our world wasn't even an idea.

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    I have to say I always shoot better with an old 'lower quality' gun.
    I have tried more expensive shotguns but I always end up going back to a trusty double trigger Fabarm which cost 150 years ago. The fit and balance are just about perfect for me.
    I do like Barretta semi autos and I think I will pick one up soon but a lot of shooting clubs don't like you using them as they can't be confirmed to be empty at a glance.
    Whilst I love English guns they are out of my price range so I make do with European. There are some good makers out there in Spain and Italy who make great guns at a great price point.
    When I win the lottery I will buy a Purdey or Holland and Holland though.
    There is a side by side Purdey coming up for auction next month with a reserve of 250,000!!!! That's a lot of money to be tied up in a bang stick!

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    In the 60s and 70s you could pick up a Parker side by side for $200 if you shopped around. Something like a Winchester 21 easily as good as a Parker, was always going to be near $1000. Spanish shotguns were the best bargains, some of the light 20 bore and especially .410 bore doubles were as good as anything made . They were well made and finished with quality wood. To say that the best English shotguns were works of industrial art doesn't cover it all. They were hand made each, and the people skilled enough to make them are gone.

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