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    Default HS Lemania


    another Royal Navy Lemania joins the Home Fleet -





    this is a little gem: all stainless steel; 32mm; calibre 27; sterile dial.





    the HS abbreviation may stand for Hydrographic Supplies in this instance.

    consideration should also be given to -

    Hydrographic Service / Hydrographic Standard / Hydrographic Survey





    the HS 11 marking denotes a standard issue or general service RN wristwatch.

    these are uncommon and few examples have been documented.

    this was originally issued as an Army Trade Pattern watch (ATP) circa 1939.





    the HS 11 designation probably came into effect circa 1945 to 1946.

    my interpretation is that these ATPs were then kept in service and reassigned around this time.

    some other ATPs that have been re-marked HS 11 include Ebel, Lemania and Moeris.


    here's a sterile dial Ebel (crystal removed) -







    image credits: rodabod


    here's a sterile dial Lemania with centre seconds -







    image credits: SideB


    the Moeris HS 11 shown below is interesting -




    image credit: Konrad Knirim

    the circle T on the dial suggests that these were still in service in the late 1960s.




    original source: A Concise Guide to Military Timepieces 1880 - 1990 by Z Wesolowski



    some Royal Navy images circa 1942 to 1945 -




    IWM (A 22945)





    IWM (A 13031)





    IWM (A 23479)





    IWM (A 23480)





    IWM (A 30181)

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    Very very nice

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    That's what we call collectors' condition! Thanks for the write-up.

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    Really very nice. Classic lines from all angles.

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    As an aside, the binoculars shown in the A13031 photo are Barr & Stroud 7X with various built in coloured filters that you flip over for different times of day to get the best contrast. They were perfect for naval use - large optics and reasonable magnification thereby allowing good light intake even at dawn and dusk - critical times for naval use. On the photo you can see the big broad arrows in white paint on either side of the binos.

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    Yep, Barr & Stroud CF41s. If anyone knows of a good optical shop that can work on a pair of those and sort out delaminated prisms, feel free to PM me!

    Oh, and to return to the OP, that is a VERY nice H.S.11 Dave!

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    Lovely!! Congrats!

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    Very nice ATP H.S. 11 Dave.

    Interesting pictures too. Other than the watches and binoculars I see what looks like a deck watch or timer bottom right image (A13031) and at the far top going out of picture of image (A 23480) ships bulkhead clock methinks.

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    Cool pictures Sir ... Lovely watch.
    As to the Barr & Stroud CF41s... well Here's mine ;-)
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    The Moeris ex-ATP HS11 with the Circled T, I have seen one for sale in marvellous condition for just Eur 500... think I will splash out and get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post
    Yep, Barr & Stroud CF41s. If anyone knows of a good optical shop that can work on a pair of those and sort out delaminated prisms..
    Kristian, I assume that you are referring to balsam separation; unfortunately the best optical technician in the UK sadly passed away last year and the only other place capable of such work has also now closed down.

    Quote Originally Posted by papazulu View Post
    Cool pictures Sir ... Lovely watch.
    As to the Barr & Stroud CF41s... well Here's mine..
    Jimmy, not sure if this is thread drift or a thread hijack but it wouldn't be so bad if I could at least see the images.
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    Dave,

    It's thread drift that you brought on yourself

    I had a feeling that places that could work / are willing to work with older optics are few and far between now. OptRep seem to have been the go-to place about 10 years ago but no longer, one other place I dug up was in Glasgow, but they seem to only work with their own brand equipment these days. A third UK option was a chap in Suffolk, but he said no to CF41s when I contacted him. So it looks like I might have to bite the bullet and use a chap here in Sweden who is apparently good but charges Scandianvian prices (my next-door neighbour has upwards of 50 pairs of binoculars and knows who's who out here). The problem is cloudy optics on one side, which might well be balsam separation, if that is what it is called. Another option would be to look for another pair, with decent optics and spray guards!

    So, what is going on with the images? I could see those earlier today but now I get the photo bucket "upgrade" thingy

    /Kristian.

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    duffle coats and CF41s -




    IWM (A 8202)





    IWM (A 4217)

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    Quote Originally Posted by drk View Post
    one other place I dug up was in Glasgow, but they seem to only work with their own brand equipment these days. A third UK option was a chap in Suffolk...
    it was Dougie in Glasgow that has sadly passed away; he had done some excellent work for me.

    the place in Suffolk would have sent their repairs to Glasgow.

    the other place that has now closed was Kays.

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    OptRep done mine, but I complained he left his fingerprints on the inside...I never got a reply from him ;-(
    btw, I thought that Photobucket problem was a thing of the past? Obviously not, I can't see my pictures either!!! Damn...
    Oh well soon sorted that out ;-)






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    I was Issued one of those Duffle coats in the Royal Engineers in 1993.... toasty and warm they were.. and I felt just like Noel Coward in 'The Cruel Sea'


    Quote Originally Posted by dave View Post
    duffle coats and CF41s -




    IWM (A 8202)





    IWM (A 4217)

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    Quote Originally Posted by geo7863 View Post
    The Moeris ex-ATP HS11 with the Circled T, I have seen one for sale...
    that sounds very promising; it would be great if we could get some images posted eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by geo7863 View Post
    I was Issued one of those Duffle coats in the Royal Engineers in 1993.... toasty and warm they were.. and I felt just like Noel Coward in 'The Cruel Sea'
    you probably mean Jack Hawkins or you may mean In Which We Serve.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dave View Post
    that sounds very promising; it would be great if we could get some images posted eventually.



    you probably mean Jack Hawkins or you may mean In Which We Serve.




    Er... probably ... did Noel not wear one then? :-)

    When I get the Moeris I will certainly post some piccies :-)..if I can I don't do the old photobucket thing!

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