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    Default a few weeks on from the Mctears Auction....

    I wondered at the time why these cases hit 2800+30% com. what i see.

    4 x mid cases for HS9
    1 x JLC WWW case
    2 x cyma www cases
    1 x Plated record/vertex/lemania
    1 x omega 53
    1 X HS9 case back
    1 X Mystery

    now here's the thing. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong in the above, but to push it to 3700?

    What is that bottom left case? Is by chance a Grana mid case? That might explain somethings. Especially as a Grana in the wrong case was also sold in the Auction.



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    It would explain a lot. I looked over the lots searching for the Grana midcase but just don't have a good enough eye to know either way. If it is, then it would end up making a nice example.

    Did you notice a few surplus bits making it un-announced into the following auction ? I won 2 lots but it was a bit of a gamble.

    Lot 11 was a mistake really, they pulled lot 10 out and I didn't notice it jumped straight from 9 to 11. Lot 14 I probably overpaid, but the wording suggests there might be additional bits not seen in the picture.

    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...1-a7fa00a61214

    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...c-a7fa00a60cea

    And lot 5 had at least some MonteCarlo bits but went over my budget.

    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...e-a7fa00a603c6

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    Well if any has a 53 movement ring in it, I'll pay you good money. It's the only thing left I need on a 53 project.

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    Well I can have a look when they turn up... do you have a picture of one ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foilguy View Post
    What is that bottom left case? Is by chance a Grana mid case?...




    that's a good call Paul but looking at the lug radii I don't think that it could be.

    it may be a Dennison type..

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    Default bits 'n' bobs








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    Default Lot 14




    it certainly looks like you have scored a series 1 or a series 2 mid case..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hookedseven View Post
    Well I can have a look when they turn up... do you have a picture of one ?
    there's a good image of a movement ring in this thread -

    http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showt...an-Omega-53-TA

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave View Post
    there's a good image of a movement ring in this thread -

    http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showt...an-Omega-53-TA
    Cheers Dave. I'll keep my fingers crossed but doesn't seem very likely.

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    Perhaps someone mistook the JLC WWW mid case for a JLC Mk11 mid case. Easily done.

    People bought IWCs fitted with civilian movements for military prices at that auction too...

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    It was a strange old auction. Can't help but think the seller wasnt done any favours with the lack of attention by the auction house to marrying up the parts. The 'parts' tin probably had most Of The moments for the 53 cases and the hs9s.

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    If the seller was sorting out an estate? which equates to they no nothing, no history, plus the auctions houses experts are great with complete watches, but give them something like this and the past smiths sale. Then its a lottery for everyone, they just don't have that deep knowledge required to sort it properly.

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    More likely laziness. They are in it to profiteer, deciding to do very little work, happy that any result will gain them a nice profit. They post a fanfare, but in their arrogance, don't take 5 minutes out to consider the options, or most likely choose the path of least resistance. It's their job to understand the implications, if they host a specialist military watch auction. They had a duty to the seller, whom no doubt they charged 10% to do the best job possible. The commission ensured nothing went cheap, but ultimately the seller suffered. Case in point the numerous omega 53 cases and backs sold independently, whilst in a tin lay their dials, hands, movements, etc. Or worse still sold off in lots of 10. The auction house did neither a service to the watch community or the seller. With little effort, they could have sought consultation. Most of jlc, cyma, omega, burens, lemanias had their requisite parts. A day spent with someone going through the lot to sort those components out, and group them, would of netted the auction house and the seller fair greater returns.

    Hey I benefitted, a 53 case, back and dust cover for a few hundred quid, but the stupidity of The auction house was quite staggering, and unlike the smiths auction, they had easy access to knowing what was desirable, and valuable.

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    it was indeed a specialist dedicated military watch auction and not a general job lot sale.

    let's hope that they can do better for the December sale -



    This dedicated auction to military watches will feature 180 watches produced for use by military personel.

    McTear's has experienced Watch Specialists who will advise you and value your items. Appointments can be made for meeting at the Auction Galleries or at your home, whichever suits you better. There is no charge for this service and no obligation to sell.

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    I thought this was a Dennison case (which I'm after if whoever won the lot wants to sell!)

    It certainly looks correct eyeballing it with the real thing in my hand in front of the screen.

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    yes i agree they should have gone through the lots with an expert, however this was not done, so yes laziness was an option open to them. To auction houses its just a production line, one week ceramic's next week magic carpet's week after that military watches. It's all free stock at the end of the day....I'm not saying that right..just the way it is

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    Not a great advertisement for them though eh. Somewhat against the comforting words they offer. To compound their stupidity they sent my won auction lots to my old house of 4 Years ago. Even though I both emailed and spoke to them on the phone prior to sending, to send to the address both listed on my thesaleroom account and on my email, and the one I got them to double confirm over the phone. Instead they used an old address on file from 8 years ago. Causing me to run around Like an idiot trying to chase down.

    McTear’s is the only auction house in Scotland to host an auction dedicated to Watches every six weeks. Very much an international auction, each event attracts hundreds of bidders from near and far, helping assure the very best price for your treasured timepiece.

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    perhaps LOT 10 which was withdrawn had all the goodies in it..

    LOT OF VARIOUS POCKET WATCH AND WRIST WATCH PARTS

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    I suspect there are now many remorseful buyers regretting their enthusiasm during the frenzied bidding.

    I purchased a catalogue and spent several hours poring over it only to realise that there was actually very little I would want to actively chase.

    I appreciate there were valuable parts and projects, but they did not turn out to be bargains!!

    MW

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    Some interesting lots for sure. But definitely not cheap. I think my now complete omega '53, and cyma www have come in at 1850 all told, though I have some spare lemania and vertex cases as left over bonuses, and a spare '53 case back. A hs9 case proved useful to a fellow mwr member, and allowed me to complete another hs9 project, with the parts they traded. In effect you had to bid with this horse trading in mind.

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