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    Introduction

    In the context of the late 1970s and early 1980s when digital liquid crystal display (LCD) watches were becoming the popular choice of consumers, a memorandum was prepared considering the pros and cons of using digital display wristwatches for military use.

    The memorandum was prepared by the Australian Defence Science and Technology Group (DSTG) in response to a request from the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) for an evaluation of an United States Air Force (USAF) report describing the results of a questionnaire to evaluate digital LCD watches for military use and a US Department of Defense military specification for digital wristwatches with liquid crystal displays (MIL-M- 87967).

    The USAF evaluation of 500 prototype Timex Marathon digital LCD wristwatches over the period June 1978 to March 1979 and the subsequent report led to the development of mil spec MIL-M- 87967 released in December 1980. The result was the manufacture of the Stocker & Yale Military Type III, Class A Chronograph Digital LCD wristwatch. Extending this time-line a little further, does the Casio G-Shock which was introduced in April 1983 owe its origin to MIL-M- 87967?

    USAF Evaluation of Digital LCD Watches (1979)

    In 1977 the USAF recognised the need to adopt a standard commercial quartz crystal watch movement to replace the mechanical analogue navigator’s watch. The necessity for a replacement of the mechanical movements surfaced principally because of spiralling buy programs and the requirement for increased performance at reduced costs. The use of standard commercially available quartz movements in lieu of mechanical movements specifically built and qualified for the military was considered to be beneficial because of the inherent reliability, ruggedness, and accuracy of the quartz movement. This recognition was made in the context of the sudden saturation of the commercial market in 1976 and 1977 with digital wristwatches. As a first step toward adopting a standard commercial quartz crystal watch movement, the USAF undertook a project/study to investigate the possible application of small electronic timepieces to the various requirements within the military for wristwatches and stopwatches.

    Objectives of the Study

    The key objectives of the study were as follows:

    1. determine the acceptance of digital display by military and civilian personnel who normally use government-issued mechanical analogue dial timepieces.

    2. determine what features are essential and desired on a digital display electronic timepiece in relation to the individual’s job requirements.

    3. determine what types and style of digital display wristwatches could be used in place of mechanical analogue styles.

    4. develop a specification for navigation/submersible wristwatches.

    5. develop a commercial item description for a simplified version of a digital watch which would meet the general timepiece requirements of GSA and DLA customers.

    Approach Taken

    To meet the objectives of the study, the USAF procured 500 wristwatches. Of the 500 watches obtained, 50 were used in various laboratory hardware performance tests. The other 450 were distributed throughout the USAF, Army, Navy and other US government agencies that had personnel who were authorised to use a government issued watch.

    450 testers were requested to respond to a questionnaire on the prototype wristwatches after one to four months of use (425 actually responded). Questions concerning five major areas of evaluation were asked: (1) evaluator’s background; (2) watch design and construction: (3) assessment of digital display; (4) mechanical problems; and (5) overall assessment. The questionnaires were analysed in detail, including detailed data recording and a computer statistical analysis of the responses.

    Prototype Wristwatches

    The 500 wristwatches were prototypes. A standard Timex Marathon wristwatch was modified to include the following characteristics: black anodised case, plastic unisex strap, tritium backlight, 15 minute stopwatch, larger digit size, larger LCD viewing window, and enhanced water resistance to meet the requirements of mil specs MIL-W-46374B General Purpose Watch; and MIL-W-50717A Navigation and Submersible Watch. Unlike most commercial watches, the prototypes had a shutdown feature which allowed the watch to be turned off for long term storage, thereby eliminating any drain on the battery.

    USAF: Assessment of the Study

    According to the USAF report, the digital LCD watch was very favourably received by most of those who participated in the evaluation. The most favourable comments concerned the extremely precise accuracy of the watch, the clarity and easy visibility of the digits under varied lighting conditions, and the continuous readout function. The latter two features provided for hands-off operation and hence, the watch did not hinder normal aircrew operations. Another feature which was very favourably received was the stopwatch function. From the analysis of the evaluators’ responses and comments, it was strongly concluded that the digital dial quartz crystal style of watch could be integrated into the US Government inventory.

    Prototype Wristwatches: Proposed Improvements / Modifications

    The prototype watch under evaluation by the USAF, was however, not considered acceptable without modifications. The following paragraphs summarise USAF’s suggested improvements to the design and construction of the prototype watch.

    Proposed Improvements: Watch Design and Construction

    1. Reduce the thickness of the case to improve comfort.

    2. Adapt the watch to accept a mil spec nylon web strap.

    3. Improve the finish to prevent chipping of the black coating.

    4. Mode buttons be positioned in the upper right and/or left-hand corners of the octagon-shaped case to avoid the accidental activation of the buttons.

    5. adopt a ‘push-in’ setting button rather than the setting button being required to be rotated 180 degrees.

    6. crystal be recessed or hardened to reduce scratching.

    7. Shock and vibration features continue to be incorporated.

    8. It was noted that the test watch was extremely accurate and surpassed military/federal specifications for timepieces.

    9. A number of test watches were evaluated by Explosive Ordnance personnel against non-magnetic mil spec MIL-M-19595B which required a device to read less than five gamma at a distance of 4 1/2 inches. The watches were tested against this mil spec and were found to read greater than 200 gamma. To overcome this problem, it was suggested that the buckle, strap pins, and push buttons could be made of a non-magnetic material such as brass.

    Proposed Improvements: Digital Display

    1. It was noted that hours-minutes-seconds continuous display was required for navigation tasks, bombing time tolerances, underwater use, and a few other selected activities. But for most other activities, a display of continuous seconds was not a necessity.

    2. A 24 hour display was considered essential for celestial navigation and was a desirable feature for many military activities due to the extensive use of Greenwich Mean Time.

    3. While the stopwatch function was very favourably received, it was suggested that it be redesigned to provide for a longer time duration (i.e., one hour versus 15 minutes). It was further suggested that for divers, this function be increased to at least three hours. Additionally, it was recommended that the stopwatch function incorporate a memory circuit that would allow uninterrupted operation when changing between the stopwatch mode and the hours-minutes-seconds mode.

    4. It was considered that the Tritium backlight may not be appropriate for ground combat operations or during escape and evasion attempts. It was desirable, however, for most other military activities.



















    An Australian Perspective: A Biased USAF Report?

    The conclusions of the USAF study, in the opinion of DSTG, were somewhat over-generalised and biased in favour of digital wristwatches and appeared to discount important minority opinions.

    The DSTG observed that the USAF analysis of results of a questionnaire survey of digital watches for military use was found to be somewhat biased in favour of digital LCD wristwatches and it appeared to unfairly discount a minority of respondents who found difficulty in accepting and/or using digital wristwatches. It was noted that digital time displays may be preferable to analogue time displays in particular tasks requiring an exact quantitative representation of time. Analogue displays, in contrast, have the added advantage of providing a visual cue (clock or watch hand position) of the relationship between different times, thus providing both quantitative and qualitative information.

    As DSTG pointed out, the results of the questionnaire indicated that there was not unanimous agreement. For example, 15% of respondents experienced difficulty operating the buttons controlling the display functions, 44% found that the face crystal was easily scratched and an average of 9% of individuals rated the watch poorly on a visibility scale to estimate the clarity of the display image under different lighting conditions. Of greater importance was the acceptance of the digital format. Eleven per cent of the subjects indicated that they had difficulty in mentally adjusting to the digital display in calculating specific time in relation to the hour. It was stated that this difficulty was experienced both by navigators and pilots “especially during flight when time compression is more severe”.








    MIL-M- 87967 (1980): Shortcomings Identified

    The US specification for digital wristwatches (MIL-M- 87967, dated 12 December 1980) describes three classes of digital watches: Type I general purpose watch; Type II divers’ watch and; Type III aircrew/navigator/shallow water divers’ watch. Under the specification, watches differed with respect to the stopwatch duration, waterproof and shockproof limits, optional seconds readout, background lighting, and the number of numerals in the liquid crystal display.

    In its report, the DSTG concluded that mil spec MIL-M- 87967 appeared to include most of the characteristics necessary to ensure compliance with military operational and safety requirements, although it was further noted that the specification allowed little scope for technological advances.

    DSTG did however identify several perceived shortcomings of MIL-M- 87967 and recommended changes to the US mil spec should the specification be used in procurement of military digital watches in Australia. The proposed changes to MIL-M- 87967 were as follows:

    1. The replacement of the battery should not degrade the waterproofing characteristics of the watch.

    2. The dark viewing requirement in the US specification should be extended. The specification requires that the background luminance of either the incandescent, electroluminescent or self-luminous lighted background should allow the watch to be read in darkness by a person of 6/6 visual acuity at a minimum viewing distance of 12 inches (about 305 mm). The distance should be increased to about 600 mm to include operational situations in which it is inconvenient to move either the head or the arm in order to read the time, for example, a pilot flying with his left arm (with wristwatch) placed on the control wheel.

    3. Any Australian legal restrictions or safety recommendations on the use of radioactive substances in self-luminous displays ought to be examined.

    4. The International System of Units (SI) should be used in an Australian specification.

    The DSTG also recommended that should an Australian Defence specification be developed for digital LCD watches, then the specification should require either a continuous self-luminous light source or an incandescent/electroluminescent lamp to backlight the time display for night viewing. According to DSTG, it would also be important that the display be lit more uniformly than was usually the case with a single incandescent source in one corner or at one of the short sides of the display.

    To date, I have been unable to unearth evidence to indicate that a separate Australian military specification was prepared for digital LCD wristwatches.





    Stocker & Yale Autoranging Chronograph Type III Class A Wristwatch

    At least one type of wristwatch was manufactured in accordance with MIL-M- 87967, which is the Stocker & Yale Autoranging Chronograph Type III Class A Wristwatch (S&Y Chrono).









    Photos: Ted (xpatUSA)



    Photo: MWR Archives


    Autoranging?

    MIL-M- 87967 describes the autoranging function as follows:

    the chronograph mode watches shall accumulate time for a minimum of 3 hours and the autoranging feature shall reflect minutes in digit positions 1 and 2; seconds in digit positions 3 and 4; and tenths and hundredths of seconds in digit positions 5 and 6 during the first hour of operation. When autoranging after 1 hour elapsed time, the watch shall reflect hours in digit positions 1 and 2; minutes in digit positions 3 and 4 and seconds in digit positions 5 and 6.



    However, under MIL-M- 87967 Type III watches were required to have a one hour stopwatch and a continuous second display (HH:MM:SS), six digits. With a one-hour stopwatch, and a six digit display, autoranging was not required, the display (MM:SS:TT) only needs to go to 59 minutes: 59 seconds: 99 tenth seconds.

    The Type II was required to have a continuous second display, and because the stopwatch was required to go to 24 hours, it must autorange. For the first 59 minutes: 59 seconds: 99 tenth seconds the display was MM:SS:TT, as soon as it hits 1 hour, the display changes to HH:MM:SS.

    The Type I only required a four position display (no seconds), and a one-hour stopwatch. For this, the display could be just HH:MM for time and MM:SS for the stopwatch.

    So why is the “autoranging” feature included in the S&Y Autoranging Chronograph Type III Class A Wristwatch? The mil spec provides the minimum requirements, allowing scope for manufacturers to exceed those requirements if desired. This is precisely what S&Y appears to have done, because it was cheaper to standardise the module than differentiate between Type II and III watches.

    MIL-M- 87967 Reviewed and Cancelled

    A notice dated 15 December 1988 indicated that MIL-M- 87967 had been revised and determined to be valid for use in acquisition. A subsequent notice dated 15 May 1993 cancelled mil spec MIL-M- 87967 without replacement.

    Beyond MIL-M- 87967

    Despite the cancellation of MIL-M- 87967 in 1993 and as a testament to their usefulness, digital LCD wristwatches continued to be procured and issued by the US military. For example, Casio G-Shock DW5600E-IV (NSN 6645-01-356-5944), Casio G-Shock DW-6900-IV (NSN 6645-01-441-2762), Timex Ironman T5K478GP (NSN 6645-01-592-0538), Suuntos (NSN 6645-01-544-8874 and 6645-01-544-8873) and an analog/LCD combination – the Timex Expedition T83512 (NSN 6645-01-231-5540).

    Watches such as the Casio G-Shock replaced the S&Y Chrono manufactured IAW MIL-W-87967, most likely earlier than 1993* when the specification was cancelled. Apart from the self-luminous feature, the ubiquitous G-Shock performed all the functions required under MIL-W-87967, however, the unit cost was lower than the cost of a MIL-W-87967 spec S&Y Chrono.

    The G-Shock and Ironman were issued to student pilots in the USAF (and may still be today).

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    * Starting right after the first Iraqi war, there was a general house cleaning of specifications that were obsolete, not being used, or that had industry specifications that covered the same ground (these were really just reprints of the Mil-Specs, but maintained by ASTM, SAE and others).
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    Comment

    In 1979 a quartz LCD watch with chronograph feature cost as low as US$50 to $100. In contrast, a mechanical chronograph with only a 30 minute cumulative timer cost about US$200. It is very easy to see why the USAF wished to place the LCD quartz watch in a good light when reporting on the results of the evaluation.

    Examining the procurement records shows that analogue watches continued to be the first choice of many in the US military including in the USAF throughout the 1980s and 1990s. For example, around 38,000 Steel Marathon Navigators were purchased in a period of 10+ years. More recently, around 40,000 Plastic Marathon Navigators have been purchased in the past ten years.

    Questions / Further Information

    Does any MWRine have in his/her collection one of the 500 prototype Timex Marathon used in the study?

    Would it be possible for a fellow MWRine to post the operating instructions for the S&Y Type III Class A?

    Feel free to post any further information on the S&Y Type III Class A watches, including additional images.

    Many Thanks Ted and Lysander

    My sincere thanks to Ted (xpatUSA) for kindly allowing me to use his photographs taken of his S&Y chrono. I know that Ted is seeking replacement (backlight) tubes for his S&Y Chrono, can anybody assist?

    Many thanks also to Lysander for continuing to be an invaluable source of information and in particular, providing technical advice relating to the S&Y Chrono and related mil specs. Lysander has undertaken extensive research on the procurement of digital LCD watches by the US military, which is best presented by him (hopefully as part of this thread).

    In a sense it was a team effort, however, any mistakes/omissions are mine.

    Best Regards, Ken

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    Thank you very much to everyone involved for sharing this informations.

    What a great and informative read.

    Greetings,

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    thanks so much for all the work you've put in here recently, Ken. these posts will definitely make me buy the updated version of the archives in the future.

    thanks to ted and lysander, too, of course.

    this forum is better for having you all!

    -ben

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    Available information on Stocker and Yale (SandY) digital watches:

    Notice I said SandY digital watches, not MIL-W-87967 watches, I have found there are at least two specifications covering these watches, possibly three.

    First a recap on the NSN 6645-00-477-4210 production, these were made for the Navy and the governing specification is listed as MIL-W-50717. Maybe someone wanted to revise this spec to the digital age, but the changes were too much for a revision and the idea was nixed, I don’t know. What we do know is two contracts were let to SandY for a digital watch that for all intents and purposes is a MIL-W-87967, Type III, Class A, but technically we shouldn’t call it that, because it isn’t.

    [All data will be given in the form of Date//Contract #//Quantity//Unit price//Contract value//Manufacturer CAGE]

    Jan 1981 // NOO104-81-C-K360 //1192 //$102.87 ea // $122,621.04 // 90640
    Apr 1984 // NOO104-84-W-ZP14 // 9 // $103.37 ea // $930.33 // 90640

    Total: 1201; rare fellows.

    The next NSN is 6645-01-087-1819. These, also, are not really MIL-W-87967 watches, these are made to a local document from the USAF Air Logistics Center, San Antonio, Kelly AFB, San Antonio, Texas. The document is SAALC-MME-PD414. Again the outward appearance is that of the above and the below.

    Sep 1980 // F41608-80-D-0107// 6 // $98.87 // $593.22 // 90640
    Sep 1980 // F41608-80-D-0107// 859 // $98.87 // $84,949.33 // 90640
    Apr 1980 // F41608-80-D-0107// 4 // $98.87 // $395.48 // 90640
    Apr 1981 // F41608-80-D-0107// 451// $98.87 // $44,590.37 // 90640
    Mar 1982 // F41608-80-D-0107// 1238 // $98.87 // $122,401.06 // 90640
    Dec 1982 // F41608-80-D-0107// 500 // $98.87 // $49,435.00 // 90640
    Feb 1983 // F41608-80-D-0107// 1500 // $98.87 // $148,305.00 // 90640
    Jul 1983 // F41608-80-D-0107// 1025 // $98.87 // $101,341.75 // 90640
    Mar 1989 // DLA400-89-M-C949 // 5 // $75.00 // $375.00 // 90640
    Mar 1989 // DLA400-89-M-C949 // 2 // $75.00 // $150.00 // 90640
    Mar 1989 // DLA400-89-M-C949 // 3 // $75.00 // $225.00 // 90640
    May 1989 // DLA400-89-M-L540 // 38 // $72.00 // $2736.00 // 90640
    Aug 1990 // DLA400-89-M-U891 // 225 // $72.00// $16,200.00 // 90640
    Jan 1990 // DLA400-90-P-3228 // 1 // $80.00 // $80.00 // 90640
    Apr 1990 // DLA400-90-M-L425 // 101 // $72.00 // $7272.00 // 90640
    Feb 1990 // DLA400-91-C-0849 // 300 // $72.00 // $21,6000.00 // 90640

    After San Antonio ALC’s contract (F41608-80-D-0107)was completed, the Defense Logistics Agency took over procurement of these watches, and six additional contracts were let between 1989 and 1990. Curiously, the description in the catalog listed the case material as - steel, corrosion resisting and steel. Can anyone confirm or negate this?

    A total of 6,256 of this NSN were made, and earned SandY just over half a million dollars $600,629.21 in ten years...

    The third NSN is 6645-01-1158-3829, These are the first ones linked to MIL-W-87967 by part number, the part number being MIL-W-87967-3A, and being described thus:

    24 HOUR, 6 POSITION DISPLAY W/ OPTIONAL 12 HR TIME MODE; DIGITAL READOUT DISPLAYS HOUR, MINUTE, SECOND; WATER RESISTANT TO 45 PSI; SHOCK RESISTANT; ACCURATE FROM 0.5 SECONDS PER 24 HRS; SELF-LUMINOUS LIGHTING MATL PHOSPHORESCENT W/ RADIATION SOOURCE; MIN LUMINOUSITY OF 0.03 FOOT-LAMBERTS, AND MAXIMUM LUMINOUSITY OF 0.05 FOOT-LAMBERTS; CASE SURF. FIN. DULL NONSPECULAR/NON REFLECTIVE METAL; CASE BACK MATL SS; CRYSTAL MATL PLASTIC OR GLASS; ELECTRICALLY POWERED BY 2 SELF CONTAINED POWER CELLS.

    NON-DEFINITIVE GORVERNMENT SPEC/STD REFERENCE - MIL-W-87967.

    Most certainly a Type III, Class A version of the watch.

    Unfortunately, the procurement data is missing.

    There is a forth NSN, 6645-01-138-8411, which I have no description of only a model number either 80-801 or 80801, (which is a similar part number to the known SandY digitals, the 80-800 and the 81-801), it was made by SandY, it was made in limited quantities, 1207 of the 1291 made went to the US Navy.

    Nov 1983 // NOO104-84-C-0211// 308 // $72.00 // $6,048.00 // 90640
    Nov 1983 // DLA400-84-C-0211// 308 // $101.00 // $58,277.00 // 90640
    Aug 1984 // NOO104-84-W-ZS96// 14 // $103.37 // $1447.18 // 90640
    Jan 1985 // NOO104-85-C-0350// 577 // $103.37 // $31,837.96 // 90640
    Aug 1989 // DLA400-89-M-U890 // 84 // $103.37 // $31,837.96 // 90640

    If anyone has an example, I would like to see one. I think these might be Type IIs.

    Just to round out the discussion some information on other digitals:

    Casio Model DW9052, DW5600E and DW5600C, between Sep 1993 and Aug 2010, there have been 22,743 of these purchased in about a dozen contracts. Average price: $57.55

    Casio Model DW5900, between May 1997 and Apr 2010, 26,951, with average price of $38.13 each.

    There are two other Timex digitals the Model 61515, 6645-01-074-4063 and the Model T5K478GP, 6645-01-592-0538.

    Timex Expedition (Ani-digi) Model T83512 - 49,211 copies.

    I estimate that approximately 150,000 to 175,000 pure digital watches have been purchased since 1980, with another 75,000 added for the various analog-digital watches.

    Compare those numbers to the number of pure analog watches purchased over a similar time period (actually, ten years shorter, starting around 1990):

    Marathon WW194014 (CSAR) - 874
    Marathon WW194007 (SAR-quartz) - 3,073*
    Marathon WW194006 (SAR-mechanical) - 5,420*
    Marathon Model 211 (steel case)(6645-01-150-8115) - 38,456
    MIL-W-46374, Type 6 (plastic case)(6645-01-364-4042) - 240,163
    Marathon WW194013 (Type 6 w/date) - 1,557
    MIL-PRF-46374, Type I, Class 1 (quartz) (6645-01-318-9833) - 61,787
    MIL-W-46374, Type 3 (quartz)(6645-01-252-6708) - 627
    MIL-PRF-46374, Type I, Class 2 (quartz, battery not installed) - 288
    MIL-PRF-46374, Type I, Class 3 (battery not included) - 3075
    MIL-PRF-46374, Type I, Class 4 (non-maintainable mechanical)(6645-00-952-3767) - 115,500
    MIL-W-46374, Type 2 (non-maintainable, mechanical)(6645-01-304-4308) - 170,750
    MIL-PRF-46374, Type II, Class 4 (high jewel, maintainable) - 35,063

    Over 676,000 analog watches have been purchased in this time frame. The Marathon Navigators, both steel and plastic alone, match the number of pure digitals, and the two were/are similarly priced, so it is not a matter of buying a cheaper watch. Obviously, the Australians where on to something, one can postulate that the analog display is still preferred.
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    Thanks Sharpie and Ben for the positive feedback, itís very much appreciated.

    Thanks Lysander for the additional information. The figures clearly highlight US military buying preference for analogue watches over digital LCD watches.

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    Interestingly, at least among the US military units I've worked with, troops left to their own preference buy at least 50% digital.

    As is often noted, the most commonly observed watches among troops are G-Shock variants and the Timex Ironman series. Add to that a ton of generic Wal~Mart and K~Mart digitals, and they are everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nepman View Post
    Interestingly, at least among the US military units I've worked with, troops left to their own preference buy at least 50% digital.

    As is often noted, the most commonly observed watches among troops are G-Shock variants and the Timex Ironman series. Add to that a ton of generic Wal~Mart and K~Mart digitals, and they are everywhere.
    It's an interesting point you make Nepman. Given the option to personally choose a cheap but robust wristwatch, I would go for a Marathon Navigator (a 2004 model is on my wrist as I type!).

    Cheers, Ken

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    Thank you very much, a wonderful post.

    This is my Stocker & Yale:

    SNTIII_2.jpg (6 documenti, 6 pagine totali)

    SNTIII_4.jpg (6 documenti, 6 pagine totali)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nepman View Post
    Interestingly, at least among the US military units I've worked with, troops left to their own preference buy at least 50% digital.

    As is often noted, the most commonly observed watches among troops are G-Shock variants and the Timex Ironman series. Add to that a ton of generic Wal~Mart and K~Mart digitals, and they are everywhere.
    I wonder what the private purchase breakdown would be if there were an inexpensive analog with the same reputation for durability that the basic G-shock has? Of course, we'd still be missing the alarm, which I suspect is an important feature for the average user.

    -ben

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    priced at an attractive point.

    I suspect what kills them is the horrible plywood-stiff straps. Most folks want to buy a watch and run, and replacing the strap is too much of a hassle.

    Frankly, since most of these are purchased at one of the large discount emporiums, and the choice of straps is usually crap there, this makes some sense.

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    Fantastic investigating, folks! This information was all very interesting to read.

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    Corrected figures for well know models:

    ANALOG
    6645-01-544-0408 (CSAR) - 602
    6645-20-002-8253 (CSAR) -272
    6645-20-001-9382 (SAR-quartz) - 3,103
    6645-21-558-0133 (SAR-mechanical) - 5,420
    6645-01-150-8115 (Steel Navigator) - 29,848
    6645-01-150-8115 (Adanac) - 8,608
    6645-01-231-8119 (Marathon Model 211) - 13,411
    6645-01-364-4042 (Plastic Navigator, Marathon) - 147,754
    6645-01-364-4042 (Navigator, SandY P650 & P660) - 109,134
    6645-01-544-9475 (Plastic Navigator w/ date) - 1,557
    6645-01-252-6705 (Quartz Field, Marathon) - 627
    6645-01-318-9833 (Quartz Field, Marathon) - 58,625
    6645-01-318-9833 (Quartz Field, SandY) - 3162
    6645-01-252-6706 (Quartz Field, Marathon) - 288
    6645-01-318-9834 (Quartz Field, Marathon) - 3,068
    6645-01-318-9834 (Quartz Field, SandY) - 885
    6645-00-952-3767 (SandY 184) - 115,500
    6645-01-304-4308 (Marathon Model 348) - 170,750
    6645-00-066-4279 (Marathon, hacking) - 23,403
    6645-00-066-4279 (SandY 490) - 15,540
    6645-01-068-1088 (Tudor 9411 & 7610) - 135
    6645-01-101-6495 (Timex Model 575-001001) - 490
    6645-01-469-9094 (Seiko SKX 009) - 200 (est)
    6645-00-225-1741 (Benrus Type II) - 9223
    6645-00-477-4210 (Benrus Type I) - 7000 (est)

    ANALOG-DIGITAL
    6645-01-231-5540 (Timex Expedition) - 49,211
    6645-01-187-8475 (Chronosport UDT) - 983

    DIGITAL
    6645-01-087-1819 (SandY 80-800) - 6258
    6645-01-138-8411 (SandY 80-801) - 1291
    6645-00-477-4210 (SandY 81-801) - 1201
    6645-01-115-3829 SandY Type III, Class A) - 1200 (est)
    6645-01-356-9544 (Casio DW5600) - 33,035
    6645-01-356-9544 (Marathon WW194024) - 1,532
    6645-01-441-2762 (Casio DW6900) - 26,951
    6645-01-592-0538 (Timex Ironmann) - 61,500 (est)
    6645-01-074-4063 (Modified Timex Marathon) - 500
    6645-01-544-8873 (Suunto D3, Orange) - 500 (est)
    6645-01-544-8874 (Suunto D3, Blue) - 500 (est)

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    It's interesting that the prototype Timex Marathon watch used for the late 1970s USAF study has an NSN.

    6645-01-074-4063 (Modified Timex Marathon) - 500

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    Default Stocker & Yale LCD type III class A instructions

    Undated, in glorious black and white format, file type GIF, 800x1000 pixels, small files (about 50K) should come up on your computer pretty quick
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    Perhaps someone with the full Adobe Acrobat app could turn these into a single PDF file?
    cheers,

    Ted

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    Post PDF of S&Y Operating Instructions

    Thanks Ted.

    I have the Operating Instructions in a single PDF if anyone is seeking a copy.

    Send my a PM with your email address and I'll email a copy.

    Cheers, Ken

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    Thanks for posting the images of your Stocker and Yale Type III Class A. Looks like a nice example.

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    Seven pages of instructions, must be for Air Force types. I think the Army was more at ease with the 2" x 3" slip of paper in the Marathon Field watches that said:

    Turn the crown to wind.

    Pull the crown and turn to set time.

    Push crown in to maximize water resistance.

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    Default Thank you for this awesome article...

    Thank you for this awesome article on relatively obscure history behind origin of CBP watches and Sandy type 3.

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