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terencehoyeechun
05-23-2008, 01:18
With the help of MWR in the forum, I finally received my certificate of my fairly new old toy of Seamaster 300 RN. THanks again for help and direction from everyone.

On the certificate, at the remark field, below are listed.

Production Date - 23 June 1966
Remarks - Delivered to our Agents in Iran. Military version (Royal Navy, UK) with a circled "T" printed on dial and etc ..... my watch was issued at 70 and it is engraved on the caseback.

My question is

1) seems like some Seamaster 300 were delivered to Royal Navy troops in Iran. Is that the way I should interpret from the certificate?

2) any other examples? I thought they were all sent to UK for diving and military operation.

3) any other destination that Royal Navy could receive Seamaster 300?

This is possibly a newbie question - your insight is appreciated.

BIG THANKS AGAIN

ianp
05-23-2008, 08:21
IMHO it seems unlikely that the UK MOD would take delivery of a watch via an agent in pre-revolutionary Iran. The logic here is that the MOD modified bog standard SM300 watches to their specifications - basically circle-t + fixed bars + case back engravings. This far more likely to have been done in the UK rather than elsewhere.

IMHO Omega do not really know much about these MOD SM300 watches. They seem to check the movement numbers for when & where it was delivered and then when they see the circle-t they add on a generic sentence about it being British military. Omega used to indicate what model watch the movement was delivered in, which can sometimes be an eye opener as it may be that the case, dial and hands are genuine and that the movement has been switched with one that was delivered to the Iranian agent. We have seen other cases where the case dial and hands were genuine, but the movement was delivered to countries other than the UK. It was assumed that this was due to a movement swap.

Did anyone tell you that buying a MOD SM300 is something of a crap shoot ?

There are no MOD records available to us and there is a minimum of reliable information from Omega. A buyer is basically looking for a set of characteristics on a given watch and then they have to decide their level of comfort as to if it is genuine or not.

IAP

rebec1
05-23-2008, 10:35
Terence,

What kind of informations did you give to Omega to get this answer?

Did you send photos of the watch or just serial number?

Best,

Eric

rebec1
05-23-2008, 10:44
Rolex delivered a batch of 20 Rolex sub to Iran in the mid 70's . The watches were purchased from Bexley.

If some Rolex milsubs were sent to Iran why not some Omega as well. They would then use their local agent to deliver the watches just like they did in England.

I also know about a very special Omega used for test by the Comex that came directly trough the Iranian distributor as the tests were conducted there.

Just my two cents of course.

Best,

Eric

ianp
05-23-2008, 11:22
Remember, my logic is based on the MOD doing the changes to the SM300 and not Omega.

IAP

Joe K.
05-23-2008, 11:24
To the best of my knowledge, these modifications of Omega watches were done by the MoD. (please correct me if anyone has data indicating otherwise). Therefore the likely route, for any such equipment that is not needed post haste for combat operations, etc., would be be first to the UK to be modified and entered into the system and then out to the field.

Omega draws on their records by looking at serial #s of the movements (unless the case also has a #, which is possible in the case of a few models, like limited editions, etc). So according to that the movement was in a watch sent to the Omega agent in Iran. The question now is where does the information regarding the case and dial come from. If its from information you provided Omega (like pictures?) then in my opinion, you might have a watch that was put together from different sources. It is quite possible that all the parts a legitmate and the movement is the exact calibre that should be in the watch, but that at some point the movement was swapped out?

How about posting some pictures of the watch so we could have a look?

Thanks!


IMHO it seems unlikely that the UK MOD would take delivery of a watch via an agent in pre-revolutionary Iran. The logic here is that the MOD modified bog standard SM300 watches to their specifications - basically circle-t + fixed bars + case back engravings. This far more likely to have been done in the UK rather than elsewhere.

IMHO Omega do not really know much about these MOD SM300 watches. They seem to check the movement numbers for when & where it was delivered and then when they see the circle-t they add on a generic sentence about it being British military. Omega used to indicate what model watch the movement was delivered in, which can sometimes be an eye opener as it may be that the case, dial and hands are genuine and that the movement has been switched with one that was delivered to the Iranian agent. We have seen other cases where the case dial and hands were genuine, but the movement was delivered to countries other than the UK. It was assumed that this was due to a movement swap.

Did anyone tell you that buying a MOD SM300 is something of a crap shoot ?

There are no MOD records available to us and there is a minimum of reliable information from Omega. A buyer is basically looking for a set of characteristics on a given watch and then they have to decide their level of comfort as to if it is genuine or not.

IAP

Westville
05-25-2008, 08:11
Found this string and was doing some research on the 300 I am getting ready to purchase.

Any comments? This might help since if it is the real deal as I am banking on. I am going to be really bummed if you guys tell me differently. I would like as much info as you fine folks (who have so much more knowledge than I) can bestow on me.

Here they are!

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/Westville79/1.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/Westville79/1b.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/Westville79/2.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/Westville79/4.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/Westville79/5.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/Westville79/6.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/Westville79/7.jpg

Thanks and hope this helps.