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L.A.kevin
05-01-2008, 13:56
Something about this CYMA doesn't look right to me- no 'Swiss' under the 6, hands look all wrong.

ebay 260233888087

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260233888087&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

I'm not saying I know for sure it's a fake dial, but I wanted to ask the hive's opinion. Trying to calibrate my eye, as it were...

Kevin

jtbold
05-01-2008, 14:43
looks like it is still hot from the engraving machine

6542
05-01-2008, 15:30
It does look too new to me, but Double Red Sea Dweller is a reputable guy. Posts a lot to TZ if I remember correctly. If he had it for sale I wouldn't question it.

Bill in Sacramento
05-01-2008, 16:34
The one on the left is all original (except the lume on the hands, I suspect). On the right (bought from Timeman in Singapore), the Cyma is over-polished, re-dialed, replacement hands and crown, otherwise correct (movement and case). It seems very close to the one RolexComex is offering - hand set, dial, crown, polishing.

Timeman maintained that the restoration was done by MOD, but I find that fanciful. I presume he did the restoration with what he had available.

[Later, I will ponder whether it is a complete fabrication.]


<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v388/domke/UK%20military/?action=view&current=Cymas.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/domke/UK%20military/Cymas.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Bill in Sacramento
05-01-2008, 16:38
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/drdelgado/auction/EDD_2303.jpg">

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/drdelgado/auction/EDD_2304.jpg">

jtbold
05-01-2008, 16:59
that the whole watch looks NOS, but there are what look to be multiple sets of wrench marks in the grooves in the back. Then again knowing the military that could be from one guy who did not care....

Coolhand
05-01-2008, 17:36
The case looks roughly machined to me.. Hot off the press I'd say.:mad5:
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t144/harvesternut/memphis_e_fea4-3.gif

Coolhand

Billy
05-01-2008, 17:44
I disagree %110 = the caseback engravings look like many other examples that have come on MWR. For a great comparison take a look at SteveG's example here:

http://ninanet.net/watches/others11/Mediums/mcymawww.html

I'm certainly no expert in regard to British WWWs (or brit watches in general), but i hope some of our more knowledgeable members do comment.

Billy

martin
05-01-2008, 18:58
The case looks roughly machined to me.. Hot off the press I'd say.:mad5:
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t144/harvesternut/memphis_e_fea4-3.gif

Coolhand

Well then, hang around and you might learn a thing or two.


Case is basically what you'd expect to see if you mirror-polished the case and lightly-lathed the case-back. Reprinted dial of course.

Watch has had it's soul removed.

janice&fred
05-01-2008, 20:22
i don't know those cymas at all but i do know the seller, and alot of people who deal with him. he is very VERY well known in vintage rolex circles with a good reputation and handles alot of extremely high-end stuff. i'm sure there is no intention to misrepresent this or any other watch he handles, and surely he will refund if not satisfied.

:thumbsup:

fred

cebu city philippines

Coolhand
05-01-2008, 20:44
So this example is not a fake? Its just had a new dial? Or it is a victim of a bad Resto? My comments stem from a bad Fleabay purchase a while back. When she came in it was very roughly machined and was truley a poser! It even looked like this same dial.
The Movnt wasn't even correct. It was out of a Manson bargin swiss watch.
Well then, hang around and you might learn a thing or two.


Case is basically what you'd expect to see if you mirror-polished the case and lightly-lathed the case-back. Reprinted dial of course.

Watch has had it's soul removed.

martin
05-01-2008, 21:35
So this example is not a fake? Its just had a new dial? Or it is a victim of a bad Resto? My comments stem from a bad Fleabay purchase a while back. When she came in it was very roughly machined and was truley a poser! It even looked like this same dial.
The Movnt wasn't even correct. It was out of a Manson bargin swiss watch.

And it's got the generic MOD Pencil hands, not the very cool Cyma hands. It's a Bitsa.

Jon
05-01-2008, 21:44
Obviously recently restored. The two NOS wwws that I've had, a Longines and a JLC, had a lot more wabi, even after 40 something years locked in a safe.

More commonly seen, an Omega '53 with a Beine replaced TA dial and hands or a Mk 11 that has been through the IWC Spa, are well regarded after the wabi has been removed.
JJ

Rrryan
05-02-2008, 13:17
I've met Ed and know him to be a man of impeccable honor and integrity and the kind who could eat the cost of this watch without thinking if he even thought it might be questionable.

All things considered the resto could have gone far worse. Redial is right damn decent (wabi aside) relative to some of the junk we see. I'm thinking the "Swiss" might just be obscured by the camera angle. Pitting and corrosion at the 6 o'clock edge of the caseback would seem to belie the recent manufacture theory as well.

I also just don't see fakers going after these when they've been so successful faking other brand milwatches - just paint "Omega" on the dial and double the profit.

Howard M Marx
05-04-2008, 00:40
then the watch is authentic - however pencil hands are incorrect as mentioned. The dial is a redial for this period but some people like
it that way and nothing wrong if not misrepresented. Since in unaltered
condtion these sell for twice as much as the price sold this was a good
deal for the buyer. I have sold many of these that have passed through
my hands they are a nice watch and for wwII watches unusual as it
is 38 mm and wearable today as it was then.